Alright, alright, I have to confess this is really embarassing

OK Mr. C you gotta admit , that guy wins, he beats even you with that one

...If they weren't just 3d models.

I see... you really need a game for this

I've got this installed on my hd:

http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/vippsx/

You need to play it to understand what I mean, target audience must be bimbos.

I don't know why the site insists it's a PSX only title but I wouldn't be upset if it was.

Edited by Burseg at 03:10 on April, 27th 2003

Wrong. Do you remember the case against AOL and some other ISPs? They were made responsible for contents provided through the Internet (thus accessable through their service). Makes no sense, but that's the way it is: as soon as your server is actively involved in spreading illegal data, you're responsible.

P2P Networks are just the same as the US Mail. You can use the US Mail to ship pirated software to friends, but the US Postal Service isnt responsible for that.

True Tupak, but tell me them and probably governments as well don't spy on your computer anyway

But before they can sue an indivisual user, they had to admit that they're spying his private transactions.

When they start to fine the individual users for breaking copyright, then maybe people will stop using things like kazaa

Exactly. All what those programs does is to allow 2 people to get in contact together, and that's extremely far from being illegal.

What is illegal is what is being sent from one user to another, and they can't make KazaaLite responsible for that.

Thus, the program is perfectly legal.

This is what the how it works link in the Kazaa program says

Peer-to-peer (P2P) and How KMD Works
Kazaa Media Desktop (KMD) uses peer-to-peer technology. This means that individual users connect to each other directly, without need for a central point of management.

All you need to do is install Kazaa Media Desktop (KMD) and it will connect you to other KMD users.

so therefore no central server, ti just downloads bit and pieces form the fastest available online users.
Without a central server, one would assume that it isn't possible to take them down because technically they aren't hosting illegal/copyrighted files

In the options for Kazaalite there is "Do not function as a supernode", this proves to me that there is no ONE server that can be taken down, in essence I am led to believe that everyone acts as a supernode, though only the fastest become are what we perceive as "servers" of locations of files.

This is why the music companies when attacking the "servers" of the Kazaa network are actually attacking the people with the most amount shared on the network, not computers that create a connection to a network.

As far as I know, the people who are running servers used by Emule could be sued and the servers would be shut down if it could be proven they didn't take enough measures to ban illegal contents being spread over their service. Since these servers are all run by different people, they'd all have to be taken down individually though, it would require a huge effort to collect proof against all of them - and new ones could always open at the same time.

What about eMule/eDonkey/OverNet? You have to connect to servers to use those, but I don't think they have 'central' servers like Soulseek or Napster... Also, no-one has ever tried to shut it down (that I know of) although there are plenty of sites which 'only index files on the network' - like Sharereactor - but in fact are offering tons of warez by sharing them on the network... apparently having such a site is NOT illegal.

Gnutella isn't on any server - that's the whole point!

No, I think gnutella is on a different server. I do know, however, that KaZaA shares the same server as Grockster, which came out before KaZaA and doesn't have any spyware. The website where you download it is now defunct, though.

I'm pretty sure Kazaa uses the same system as Gnutella.
Anyway as quick as you shut down one, ten more pop up to replece it, look what happened after napster left.

I don't know how Kazaa works, but any program like this which doesn't work with central servers, but relies fully on direct connections between the users is impossible to shut down. The software is legal anyway, Napster only got busted because all the illegal material for which the users 'misused' the program went through their servers. Networks like Gnutella don't have that problem. If more users would just understand this...

I am sure the users like it fine, don't you agree?