Posted at 16:09 on November 19th, 2009 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 192 | I stumbled over this: http://battletech.catalystgamelabs.com/2009/07/09/mechwarrior-to-be-distributed-free-on-battletech-com/ It sounds to god to be true. I seems that you have to use a special download client to get your copy and play it. But I can't find anything about how registration works and what they do with your personal data. So maybe you buy it with your data. What do you think about it? Does anybody have more information? |
Posted at 09:13 on July 10th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Pupil Gumby Posts: 10 | I know it's late but here you have a download link from Chip-Online http://www.chip.de/downloads/Mechwarrior-4-Mercenaries-Vollversion_42735284.html Have Fun with it. I've played Battletech for several years, a great game. I hope in a future Mechwarrior we will see detailed Cockpits. Greetings Maniac |
Posted at 10:33 on July 10th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 192 | Originally posted by Maniac at 09:13 on July 10th, 2010: I know it's late but here you have a download link from Chip-Online http://www.chip.de/downloads/Mechwarrior-4-Mercenaries-Vollversion_42735284.html Have Fun with it. I've played Battletech for several years, a great game. I hope in a future Mechwarrior we will see detailed Cockpits. Greetings Maniac Unfortuanally this is also the client to download it via MTX. And as I already mentioned in my starting post. I don't trust such clients. What happens to my data when I register? I could not find any information about that. Any clues? |
Posted at 15:48 on July 10th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Pupil Gumby Posts: 10 | Hmmm, I don't know what I should think about it. I didn't think much about it because I have MW4 Mercs in Original on CD, Sorry. I'm not a friend of registering for each thing I want to download or read.... God's in the 90's playing Computergames was so much easier.... no Steam, no DRM, no SecuRom..... Just a few Disk's and a manual.... no patches needed.... Golden times.... Back to topic... (sorry) |
Posted at 18:27 on July 10th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1092 | Steam actually is not that bad. I only buy game there now. Probably the last time I bought a game of physical support was one or two years ago. In Steam you can find interesting games from small companies, games which are cheaper than one from a big company and much better. And also, there are sales from time to time. |
Posted at 18:47 on July 10th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | ...and it has DRM, spyware, 'always online' requirements, artificially inflated system requirements and so on. Yes, 'great'. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! ----- Edited by Mr Creosote at 18:48 on July 10th, 2010 |
Posted at 19:51 on July 10th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1092 | It has an offline mode, so you don't need to be always online to play the games. And spyware? I wouldn't be surprised, but didn't notice anything. Anyway, it's mostly good due to being a way for small companies to offer their games (see for example Zeno Clash, which would never be published in a normal way), and to get games with online support. |
Posted at 19:56 on July 10th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | What's stopping these small companies from offering their games as a paid download from their own servers without all the crap overhead? Oh well... this is way off-topic, sorry. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! ----- Edited by Mr Creosote at 20:24 on July 10th, 2010 |
Posted at 20:38 on July 10th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1092 | We can move this to a new topic. The problem is not that they can't. Several do, but they lack exposition. They can't pay for publicity, and most of the publicity is in hand of the big companies, and you play their game (and yours will be in the stores and magazines for, in best case if it is a best-seller, up to six months), or you don't play. Systems like steam offer a way to have your game the closest to mainstream public they can get. Just look at Penumbra. I've never seen it on shops (and it was sold on shops), yet it seems to have done well on Steam (the second part is visibly rushed, I will say, it was going to be a trilogy after all, but otherwise it's a great game). |
Posted at 20:41 on July 10th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | We've discussed distribution channels like this a few times in other topics. I won't even accept them as serious sources. Simple as that. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 08:15 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 192 | So now here are some reasons why not to use steam (unfortuanaly only in german because my english isn't good enough for all this legal stuff. By the way this is just copy paste from steams own license): Weiterhin stimmen Sie zu, dass Ihnen Valve hiermit eine begrenzte, kündbare, nicht exklusive Lizenz (die „Installer-Lizenz“) einräumt, um eine unbegrenzte Anzahl unveränderter Kopien der Steam-Client-Installationssoftware („Steam Installer“) im Wege des Onlinedownloads zu erstellen und zu verbreiten. C. GARANTIEAUSSSCHLUSS VALVE GARANTIERT NICHT DEN DAUERHAFTEN, FEHLERFREIEN, VIRUSFREIEN ODER SICHEREN BETRIEB UND ZUGANG AUF STEAM, DIE STEAM-SOFTWARE, IHR BENUTZERKONTO UND/ODER IHRE ABONNEMENTS. SIE BESTÄTIGEN UND STIMMEN ZU, DASS IHR EINZIGER UND AUSSCHLIEßLICHER RECHTSBEHELF IM FALLE EINER AUSEINANDERSETZUNG IM HINBLICK AUF STEAM ODER DIE STEAM-SOFTWARE DARIN BESTEHT, DIE VERWENDUNG VON STEAM ZU BEENDEN UND IHR BENUTZERKONTO ZU KÜNDIGEN. Valve kann diesen Nutzungsvertrag jederzeit nach eigenem Ermessen anpassen. Als Nutzer stimmen Sie zu, dass Valve die Regelungen dieses Nutzungsvertrags ändern kann. Sowohl Sie als auch Valve haben das Recht, Ihr Benutzerkonto oder ein bestimmtes Abonnement jederzeit zu kündigen oder anderweitig zu beenden. Sie bestätigen und stimmen zu, dass die Kündigung Ihres Benutzerkontos oder eines bestimmten Abonnements Ihr einziger Rechtsanspruch und Rechtsbehelf im Hinblick auf jegliche Auseinandersetzungen mit Valve ist. Im Falle des einmaligen Erwerbs einer Produktlizenz (z. B. Erwerb eines einzelnen Spieles) von Valve kann Valve Ihr Benutzerkonto insgesamt oder nur einen Teil der Abonnements kündigen (z. B. Zugang zur Software über Steam), und Valve ist berechtigt, aber nicht verpflichtet (für einen begrenzten Zeitraum), den Zugang zum Download einer eigenständig lauffähigen Version der Software und der Inhalte zu gewähren, die mit einem solchen einmaligen Erwerb zusammenhängen. My personal conclusion: You don't buy a game. You rent it. And there is no way to reinstall your copy lets say in 10 years or so if Valve stops the support. So this is a no go for me. |
Posted at 08:19 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Master Gumby Posts: 115 | To be honest: Before reading this thread I never heard of Steam before. I'm really not up to date with the gaming industry it seems. Anyway - I read up on this and what I think I disliked the most (and that's a tough decision as there's a lot) is the fact that you agree that Steam can search your computer and you don't even know what kind of data is being sent. But what IS known is that the names of every installed program is among it. I mean... wow... I can't imagine anyone agreeing to that, but as it looks... people do. |
Posted at 08:34 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 192 | Originally posted by Elwood at 08:19 on July 11th, 2010: To be honest: Before reading this thread I never heard of Steam before. I'm really not up to date with the gaming industry it seems. Anyway - I read up on this and what I think I disliked the most (and that's a tough decision as there's a lot) is the fact that you agree that Steam can search your computer and you don't even know what kind of data is being sent. But what IS known is that the names of every installed program is among it. I mean... wow... I can't imagine anyone agreeing to that, but as it looks... people do. If you don't like Steam you should see what Ubisoft is selling nowadays. You can't even start the game without an Internet connection and your savegames are stored online too. If you loose the connection to the masterserver the Game stops and you're unable to do anything. |
Posted at 08:48 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | Originally posted by Elwood at 08:19 on July 11th, 2010: I mean... wow... I can't imagine anyone agreeing to that, but as it looks... people do. - People don't read it - People think they have "nothing to hide" (most stupid argument ever) ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 09:06 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | Oh, and, of course, the timeless reason: - People are so used to such terms by now that they consider it normal and without alternative since "everybody does it anyway so one more doesn't matter anymore" ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! ----- Edited by Mr Creosote at 09:06 on July 11th, 2010 |
Posted at 09:35 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Master Gumby Posts: 115 | I'm glad I'm not playing newer games... seriously! |
Posted at 09:36 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 1092 | I personally never read them. Edit: As for new games, take a look at this: http://www.tigsource.com/. Here you can see some of the most interesting newer games. ----- Edited by Wandrell at 09:39 on July 11th, 2010 |
Posted at 09:52 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 192 | I read them. And sometimes even the publishers don't read them. Do you want an example? Here it is. Torchlight. The packaging says that you need a Internet Connection to use the game. And gues what. It doesn't need it! You can even play the game without the disk insertet and without an internet connection. |
Posted at 10:05 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | T-Pow: You're confusing technical requirements with licence requirements there. What you noticed is that you don't technically need either. You're still violating the licence by playing without an Internet connection. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 10:07 on July 11th, 2010 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 192 | Originally posted by Mr Creosote at 10:05 on July 11th, 2010: T-Pow: You're confusing technical requirements with licence requirements there. What you noticed is that you don't technically need either. You're still violating the licence by playing without an Internet connection. I don't violate the license because the game doesn't even try to connect to the internet. |