Posted at 09:52 on June 3rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | I hope not too many people use that kind of spoofing then. Addition: Beonex Communicator 0.8.1 Quote: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021218 Beonex/0.8.1-stable ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 10:16 on June 3rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 740 | Correction: It is available from a drop down menu on the prefs window. It's been so long since I set it that I had forgotten. You can choose to identify as default (k-meleon's true info), netscape 6.1, netscape 4.76, IE 4.0, IE 5.5, or IE 6.0 all from the drop down menu. It would also be possible to identify as absolutely anything you wanted to by editing the scripting. Whether or not this will be an actual problem depends on your target audience. K-meleon isn't a very common browser, due in large part to it's lack of features. It is however popular among more tech-savy people who are looking for a smaller browser or one that they can customize, and are less comcerned with what features it comes with. I just updated with the new service pack (sp1), here's the new info Version 0.7.1 Build 734 Compiled Wed Feb 12 18:21:25 2003 Quote: Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 K-Meleon 0.7 Edit: Here's a list of the signatures I get with each of the different settings: Quote: Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1) Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT) Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows NT) Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US) Netscape6/6.1 Browser: Mozilla/4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021016 K-Meleon 0.7 Edited by Cypherswipe at 18:20 on June, 03rd 2003 ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 10:28 on June 3rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | That's really not good. I am aware you can tell any browser to identify as anything, but making these options that accessable is really contraproductive Sure, not many people are using that browser, but that could change and even if it doesn't, it's still a flaw in the script which I can't get around. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 10:39 on June 3rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 740 | I finally figured out how to do it with mozilla/mutizilla too. Quote: Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2) Gecko/20021205 Netscape/7.0 It might be possible to get around that. It's supposed to be possible to get around the multizilla one due to a couple bugs in moz. Sinze k-meleon is based on moz, the methods should work with it as well. Quote: Web authors can still check: 'MSIE', '6.0', navigator.language and navigator.platform with JavaScript, because of mozilla bug 115773 and bug 166395. Text taken from http://multizilla.mozdev.org/docs/spoofing.htmlI'll bet I can still fool you through proxomitron though. Let me know if those javascript methods work for moz and k-meleon, and if they do we'll see if they work with proxomitron. Edited by Cypherswipe at 18:47 on June, 03rd 2003 ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 10:48 on June 3rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | That method doesn't have any future (the bug will be fixed, it probably already has been by now), so I won't use it. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 10:58 on June 3rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 740 | Apparently the one bug goes back to 2001, and the other to late 2002, and neither has been fixed as of march 25, 2003, so I doubt that they'll fix either one any time soon. They'll probably be fixed sooner or later though, so I guess it depends what kind of a time frame you're looking at. I predict that they'll fix those bugs in 1~2 years. ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 14:20 on June 3rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | Galeon 1.2.5: Quote: Mozilla/5.0 Galeon/1.2.5 (X11; Linux i686; U; ) Gecko/20020605 I guess I identified the culprit which identifies itself with Gecko, but without Mozilla version there Within the last 24 hours, there have been another few browsers my script didn't recognize: Mozilla/4.78 [en] (Win98; U) Mozilla/4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) (these two are most likely Netscape 4 versions, but I can't be sure, there is no safe way of identifying those) MSIE 5.2 (doesn't exist as far as I know, so I guess that's spoofed) IBrowse/2.3 (AmigaOS 3.9) (it's clear what that is, but since sadly only very, very few people use this one, I didn't make an extra handler for this) Internet Explorer 5.5 (this browser exists, but seeing it as a signature, it can only be another spoof) Links (0.98; Linux 2.4.18-rcn i686; 128x48) (that one is clear as well, but again a really tiny minority) One browser didn't send any signature at all. I think that's not bad, everything else was recognized correctly (apart from really bad spoofing of course). It's a bit sad about the older versions of Netscape. With basically every browser identifying itself as "Mozilla" these days, I don't see any way to filter those calls out, though Edited by Mr Creosote at 22:31 on June, 03rd 2003 ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 16:57 on June 3rd, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 740 | Quote: (apart from really bad spoofing of course) You mean like my current seetings (Godzilla 0.0/ compatible with MICE11.0, Spandex 69)? Edit: You're right, that IE 5.5 one has to be a spoof. Here's what I get when I go to that page using IE 5.5: --------- Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) -------- Edited by Cypherswipe at 02:45 on June, 04th 2003 ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 02:16 on June 4th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | No, I meant the way K-Meleon does it. Your new example is more in the line of "Internet Explorer 5.5". Another unknown browser: Quote: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/74 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/74 (from what I've heard before, a browser called "Safari" does exist, but the version number looks kind of strange)Quote: Mozilla/4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC) (most likely Netscape 4 again)Edited by Mr Creosote at 10:20 on June, 04th 2003 ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 15:11 on June 4th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Dr Gumby Posts: 267 | Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; YComp 5.0.0.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705) IE 6.0.2800 ----- Lets make this a beefy place |
Posted at 07:10 on June 6th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 740 | btw I just realized that in my first post, I had opera set to identify as IE6.0. Here are all of opera v7's spoofs: MSIE 6.0 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) Opera 7.0 [en] moz 3.0 Browser: Mozilla/3.0 (Windows 98; U) Opera 7.0 [en] moz 4.78 Browser: Mozilla/4.78 (Windows 98; U) Opera 7.0 [en] moz 5.0 Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows 98; U) Opera 7.0 [en] opera 7.0 Browser: Opera/7.0 (Windows 98; U) [en] ...and here's opera 6.05 pretending to be MSIE 5.0 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98) Opera 6.05 [en] Phoenix 0.4 (before it was changed to firebird) ----------- Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021029 Phoenix/0.4 ---------- It's been a looooooong time since I fired up phoenix, seems very wierd now. inet tabs (IE frontend) Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) neoplanet (IE frontend) Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98) Edited by Cypherswipe at 11:14 on June, 07th 2003 ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 03:07 on June 9th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 740 | I had a friend of mine visit that page with his aol browser ___________ Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 8.0; Windows 98; DigExt) -------- ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 04:55 on June 9th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | Hey, that AOL-one is interesting ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 05:13 on June 9th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 740 | Here's another one, newer version of IE, but older version of aol. ----------- Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; AOL 7.0; Windows 98) ----------- I don't know what that DigExt thing is in the first one since it doesn't appear to be connected to aol (unless it's something with aol 8.0). Edited by Cypherswipe at 13:17 on June, 09th 2003 ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 05:21 on June 9th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | DigExt is some kind of spider of Internet Explorer for the function of making visited pages available offline. Not really important for this cause, though. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 07:06 on June 9th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 740 | If you say so. I've never seen it before. ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 07:14 on June 9th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | So didn't I, but I search the Internet for it ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 08:20 on June 9th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Member Retired Gumby Posts: 740 | I was too lazy to bother. :p It is rather interesting that it puts itself in the browser ident like that. ----- At the end of the day, you're left with a bent fork & a pissed off rhino. |
Posted at 14:47 on June 9th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | That's about as useful as the stuff about "Dot Net" ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |
Posted at 04:18 on June 10th, 2003 | Quote | Edit | Delete | |
Admin Reborn Gumby Posts: 11098 | The script is now working pretty well, so in case anyone's interested: http://www.goodolddays.net/browserstats.php. I'm not claiming to tell anything new with that, I just wrote it for the sake or writing it. And before anyone asks: I'm not one of the 5 people who used IBrowse to access the site, nor am I one of the 3 with text browsers Inaccuracies occur every time some browser 'spoofs' in a completely convincing way (like K-Meleon), half-assed 'spoofing' (like Opera's) is recognized. ----- Now you see the violence inherent in the system! |